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Several Hundred Came, Knowing The Opposition Had Called Off
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From Counties All Over The North State Of California...To
Drive Home The Message, just in case it's lost on someone,
The Message TANC is: "We will fight you on every piece of
the 6,000 lots you intend to make useless to us and our
neighbors. We will never stop..From YoLo, To Butte,Glenn &
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If President Obama Really and Truly Wants to Address The Energy Problems Facing America and Put People Back To
Work Fast...He needs to ear-mark this so called "SMART
GRID" money for some Conservation and Domestic Hot
Water Heating and Solar PV Financing On a Local Bases.
..Put the entire country back to work...not just a few
rich and well-do-do POWER BROKERS....

These Grids to Nowhere are Bull Shit a huge waste of
money, in many cases, and well only make the same old
GM mentality Utility Companies and Execs Rich..Yes
the existing grid needs some upgrades, for Home Security
purposes, so 8 year olds cannot hack it with their home
computers...But in California at least, our energy needs
are decreasing as out population increases, this means
we are getting the job done. How about the rest of you.
..America?_ Green Earl

I'm beginning to think
that common sense in D.C. is not too common...You don't
want me, not on your side Mr. President.

http://hotair.com/archives/2009/07/08/obama-on-smart-grid-no-longer-about-jobs/

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Obama on Smart Grid: No longer about jobs
posted at 3:08 pm on July 8, 2009 by Ed Morrissey


Stung by the utter failure of Porkulus to stem the tide of joblessness, the Obama administration has quietly dropped its “jobs” argument for funding federal projects. ABC’s Rick Klein notices that the Smart Grid project, one of the most highly touted programs for job creation by Barack Obama and Joe Biden, has had that requirement removed:

When Vice President Joe Biden announced a new $3.3 billion grant program to upgrade the nation’s electricity network, the rationale was simple: “This is jobs — jobs,” he said in April.

But the Obama administration is now saying it will not take the potential for job creation into account in “rating” proposed projects for possible funding — after initially saying that would be a primary consideration.

In April, when the Energy Department first announced regulations for companies that wish to apply for “Smart Grid Investment Grants,” “job creation and retention” was among the explicit criteria. …

But late last month, the department quietly modified the criteria to take the job piece out. As the department explained in a June 26 set of Frequently Asked Questions:

“These criteria differ significantly from those presented within the [Notice of Intent]. First, DOE removed the criterion on the extent of jobs creation and now will require applicants, as stipulated within the Recovery Act, to report quarterly on the number of jobs created and retained.”

It’s not hard to understand why this got pulled, especially given the timing. By the end of June, the Obama administration had realized that unemployment continued to rise despite all of the pork projects it had funded through Porkulus. The next week’s report from the BLS showed joblessness rising to 9.5%, proving that the Porkulus approach wouldn’t work to create jobs at all.

Now the White House wants to make it all about the technology. That’s fine; the national electrical grid needs revamping, and it’s one of the few projects in Porkulus that will help build a stronger private sector by securing the electrical and electronic infrastructure, as well as eventually saving energy. But their retreat from “jobs, jobs, jobs,” shows that the White House understands that they own rising unemployment, and that their program isn’t helping to stem it at all.

Of course, it’s difficult to trust economic policy to someone who can’t even count the letters in the word “jobs”, as we saw last October:


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BobMbx on July 8, 2009 at 3:59 PM

:-)

I came up with a better screen name after I registered here, but went into my profile and found out that Hot Air does not allow users to change usernames. :-(

UltimateBob on July 8, 2009 at 4:20 PM

“It’s a damm shame that the control unit on my house will either get hacked, blown off the house by freak storms, or chewed to pieces by raccoons on a daily basis.”

That frickin’ made my day.

WitchDoctor on July 8, 2009 at 4:21 PM

We have been hearing about JOBS since the end of January! Where are they?
Is this how they, Husseins’ Administration, planning to reduce Green House Gasses by handing out Pink Slips to the private sector and Taxing those earning over $250k to pay for Crap and Tax Bill proposed by Henry Morgan Waxman?

BigMike252 on July 8, 2009 at 4:23 PM

Not just words and speeches–words of hope and speeches about change. Words and speeches that may not create jobs, but will achieve something far more important: Inspire us to believe in ourselves as the change we have been waiting for and the hope that yes we can bring change.

This inspiration will warm us as we huddle jobless around barrels of burning, worthless dollars.

jazz_piano on July 8, 2009 at 4:19 PM

Oh boy…are you lucky I read the whole thing….for a moment, it seemed as if KOS himself had arrived at HA.

That was Hitchcock-like terror. Don’t.Do.It.Again.

BobMbx on July 8, 2009 at 4:24 PM

want to see them try to sell bonds to China for a 2nd Porkulus scam- can you say “usury”?

jjshaka on July 8, 2009 at 3:41 PM

Speaking of bonds, what has happened to the bond smuggling story? IMO, it has been swept under the rug. Was the US selling bonds and not accounting for them to the public?
Did I miss news, or did the story just disappear?

riverrat10k on July 8, 2009 at 4:26 PM

How about Nucs… and changing our Transportation grip over to Compressed Natural Gas? As we have TONS of CNG in this country, and any car can be converted to run on it for less than $1000 with already existing technology….

oh, and CNG runs cleaner with less CO2 if we need that as an argument…

Romeo13 on July 8, 2009 at 4:13 PM

It IS possible to run vehicles on Compressed Natural Gas. But natural gas is usually available at low pressure. It takes some energy input to compress it, and fuel tanks need to have thicker, heavier walls to resist the pressure, whereas gasoline is liquid at atmospheric pressure, and contains more energy per gallon.

Another problem with Compressed Natural Gas is that filling stations need to have airtight hoses, connections, and valves between the supply tank and vehicle tank to prevent leakage and pressure loss. While this may be feasible for commercial vehicles or buses, where professionally-trained technicians could fill the tanks, self-service natural gas filling stations could present a safety hazard to people used to inserting low-pressure gasoline nozzles into liquid tanks, and not worried about high pressures.

Steve Z on July 8, 2009 at 4:26 PM

“Did I miss news, or did the story just disappear?”

It disappeared. In fact, not one person I mentioned it to had heard of it until that moment.

WitchDoctor on July 8, 2009 at 4:27 PM

The walk around inside joke at the White House is: Hey, is that a roll of quarters in your pocket or are you just glad to see me we not taxing you enough yet.

Americannodash on July 8, 2009 at 4:16 PM

FIFY

Romeo13 on July 8, 2009 at 4:27 PM

It sounds like things are deteriorating and they are entering the beginning panic stages of chaos.

Jed_Eckert on July 8, 2009 at 4:27 PM

Steve Z on July 8, 2009 at 4:26 PM

Those are all just engineering problems… and will be much less expensive that converting to Electric cars with the 300% increase in electricity generation that would need).

Over in Europe, they have a car that runs off either Gas or CNG, its already being done…

Romeo13 on July 8, 2009 at 4:30 PM

With all the rhetorical feces being tossed around in Washington DC these days perhaps the requisition of complementary rhetorical bidets are in order or should I say to be backordered

Americannodash on July 8, 2009 at 4:33 PM

Oh boy…are you lucky I read the whole thing….for a moment, it seemed as if KOS himself had arrived at HA.

That was Hitchcock-like terror. Don’t.Do.It.Again.

BobMbx on July 8, 2009 at 4:24 PM

Sorry–I try to use the /sarc tag but forgot this time.

jazz_piano on July 8, 2009 at 4:33 PM

Romeo13 on July 8, 2009 at 4:27 PM

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You feel better now don’t you?

Americannodash on July 8, 2009 at 4:35 PM

Don’t be fooled by the “smart grid” stuff either. It’s another attempt to cloak a power control system that will allow an unseen hand to distribute power based on the “needs of the people”. Some hippie chick with hairy armpits sitting on her hemp mat somewhere in the DOE will dictate your allowable power consumption based on established “green principles”.

Wyznowski on July 8, 2009 at 4:36 PM

Those are all just engineering problems…

Romeo13 on July 8, 2009 at 4:30 PM

So is the solution to getting a brick to fly.

Would you buy a brick that flys? Me neither.

BobMbx on July 8, 2009 at 4:37 PM

“Did I miss news, or did the story just disappear?”

It disappeared. In fact, not one person I mentioned it to had heard of it until that moment.

WitchDoctor on July 8, 2009 at 4:27 PM

Thx WD, at least it ain’t just me. Am I making sumthin’ from nuthin’ or is something more sinister afoot? Don’t mean to thread highjack, but this seems part of the whole printing money comments above.

riverrat10k on July 8, 2009 at 4:38 PM

Thx WD, at least it ain’t just me. Am I making sumthin’ from nuthin’ or is something more sinister afoot? Don’t mean to thread highjack, but this seems part of the whole printing money comments above.

riverrat10k on July 8, 2009 at 4:38 PM

Can you give us a link?

jazz_piano on July 8, 2009 at 4:39 PM

It was never about the 3 letter word jobs.

Brat4life on July 8, 2009 at 4:40 PM

BobMbx on July 8, 2009 at 4:19 PM

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Stagflation followed by inflation. Work harder to make more then pay more to receive less. Freshman year ecoc. 101.
.
You can lead a government to macroeconomics but you still can’t make a government think. [ps] Krugman is a dumb@$$.

Americannodash on July 8, 2009 at 4:44 PM

Smart grid + Democrats = A grid that can be controlled, regulated, and taxed according to agenda-driven criteria.

hillbillyjim on July 8, 2009 at 4:45 PM

Unemployment isn’t so bad . . . just a sign that we need more gov’t spending on welfare, condoms, levitation trains, unicorns, esoteric university research projects, ACORN, global warming climate change, etc.

Let’s not let this continuing crisis go to waste, comrades.

/sarc

jazz_piano on July 8, 2009 at 4:46 PM

Can you give us a link?

jazz_piano on July 8, 2009 at 4:39 PM

Here http://hotair.com/archives/2009/06/12/billions-in-us-bonds-seized-in-smuggling-operation/ and here http://cryptogon.com/?p=9095

riverrat10k on July 8, 2009 at 4:46 PM

Here http://hotair.com/archives/2009/06/12/billions-in-us-bonds-seized-in-smuggling-operation/ and here http://cryptogon.com/?p=9095

riverrat10k on July 8, 2009 at 4:46 PM

Thanks!

jazz_piano on July 8, 2009 at 4:47 PM

So is the solution to getting a brick to fly.

Would you buy a brick that flys? Me neither.

BobMbx on July 8, 2009 at 4:37 PM

Huh? Its already being done. It works. Its using an energy form we have in abundance. It keeps that money in OUR economy instead of shipping it to other countries.

CNG vehicles aready work. I’m just suggesting making CNG available at gas stations, and for it to be an option from a Major Car company that consumers can then choose.

Romeo13 on July 8, 2009 at 4:50 PM

CNG vehicles aready work. I’m just suggesting making CNG available at gas stations, and for it to be an option from a Major Car company that consumers can then choose.

Romeo13 on July 8, 2009 at 4:50 PM

My point was: I won’t buy a CNG car as long as I can buy some Detroit Tennessee FOMOCO iron.

BobMbx on July 8, 2009 at 4:58 PM

Romeo13 on July 8, 2009 at 4:13 PM
Steve Z on July 8, 2009 at 4:26 PM
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Boone Pickens talked about it last night on Beck.
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There is a $65k PER 18 Wheeler incentive to buy a new vehicle using CNG. The HOPE AND CHANGE will be that if people buy enough trucks, then the truck stops will start will start distributing CNG in greater quantity.

barnone on July 8, 2009 at 5:02 PM

CNG vehicles aready work. I’m just suggesting making CNG available at gas stations, and for it to be an option from a Major Car company that consumers can then choose.

Romeo13 on July 8, 2009 at 4:50 PM

Sounds good to me.

jazz_piano on July 8, 2009 at 5:03 PM

BobMbx on July 8, 2009 at 4:58 PM

Bob - you can buy for $350 an adapter with computer so that your current car can run on high pressure CNG AND/OR gasoline.
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You can plug in at home at night, fill up a small tank in your trunk and get about 70 miles until you need to run on gasoline.

barnone on July 8, 2009 at 5:05 PM

Way too many Bob’s around here.

What do you call a guy with no arms and not legs floating in the river?……..

Sorry. I couldn’t control myself

AverageJoe on July 8, 2009 at 5:13 PM

The Honorable Max Baucus
The Honorable Chuck Grassley
Committee on Finance
United State Senate
Washington, DC 20510

RE: Alternative Fuel Mixture Tax Credit

Dear Senators Baucus and Grassley,

I make my living working for PAPER COMPANY in the forest products industry. I am extremely proud that our industry is the leading producer and user of renewable biomass energy in the nation. That’s why I am concerned that you are considering disqualifying black liquor, a renewable biomass byproduct of the paper-making process, from eligibility for the alternative fuels mixture tax credit. Disqualifying black liquor from credit eligibility would threaten the health of our industry and jeopardize the good-paying “green” jobs it provides.

Black liquor is a renewable biomass fuel used by pulp mills to produce electricity and heat, thus making it possible for those facilities to generate approximately 66 percent of their energy needs onsite. Using black liquor for fuel avoids fossil fuel use and, unlike fossil fuel, black liquor is carbon neutral-thus providing exactly the kind of environmentally friendly energy that the alternative fuel mixture tax credit was designed to encourage. In fact, the energy we produce from biomass exceeds the total energy produced from solar, wind and geothermal power combined.

You need to preserve the eligibility of forest products facilities to receive this credit not only because of the industry’s contribution to renewable energy production but also because good paying jobs, like mine, could be lost by this action. The economic downturn has caused a dramatic decline in demand for consumer goods, which in turn has caused an historic decline in demand for paper, packaging and building materials. The forest products industry has already lost 300,000 workers since 2006: a quarter of its workforce. When mills close, manufacturing jobs are lost, and the renewable energy they produce is lost, too.

I urge you not to revoke this important tax credit. By maintaining black liquor’s eligibility, you are supporting renewable energy production and “green” manufacturing jobs.

Sincerely,

James

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Obama and Dems, picking the winners and losers.

James on July 8, 2009 at 5:18 PM

Way too many Bob’s around here.

What do you call a guy with no arms and not legs floating in the river?……..

Sorry. I couldn’t control myself

AverageJoe on July 8, 2009 at 5:13 PM

Nick Vujicic is the new answer.

econavenger on July 8, 2009 at 5:26 PM

There is a $65k PER 18 Wheeler incentive to buy a new vehicle using CNG. The HOPE AND CHANGE will be that if people buy enough trucks, then the truck stops will start will start distributing CNG in greater quantity.

barnone on July 8, 2009 at 5:02 PM

Problem is that they are doing it backwards.

They should use tax incentives to put in the PUMPS. Because if there are not enough pumps nationwide, you CAN’T buy the truck…

As usual, they try to do things backwards, which means it will not work.

Romeo13 on July 8, 2009 at 5:29 PM

Romeo13 on July 8, 2009 at 5:29 PM
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I agree. But I changed all my farm equipment over and I run off of high Pressure CNG. (you need the compressor at home too.) But every business with local delivery should convert their fleet. How many local companies go more than 70/100 miles per day? You don’t NEED the fuel station if you have the plug at the business already.
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My mechanic worked for the local gas company and they have always had their fleet run on CNG.

barnone on July 8, 2009 at 5:37 PM

My mechanic worked for the local gas company and they have always had their fleet run on CNG.

barnone on July 8, 2009 at 5:37 PM

Yeah, I’ve got a 16 year old Nissan Pickup for a second car that I’m thinking of converting… I only use it for local run around travel…

Just gotta figure out the cost benefit once I buy a compressor for the house…

Romeo13 on July 8, 2009 at 5:54 PM

Smart Grid will enable smart monitoring and smart control of your energy usage. That means de facto rationing for non-essential uses, such as air conditioning or whatever gubmit bureaucrats decide is ‘non-essential’. It means differential charges for power for peak versus non-peak times of day/week and seasons of the year. So maybe your power will cost $5/KWh from 10:00 PM-6:00 AM in winter, but $10/KWh at night in summer (air conditioning), and $20/KWh in summer during normal daytime business hours.

Their Smart Grid will enable them to monitor your household thermostat (and eventually other appliances), so if they feel you’re using too much heat in winter, or too much air in summer, they can levy a prohibitive surcharge.

petefrt on July 8, 2009 at 6:08 PM

Wait!!! I thought that Gas was an EVIL FOSSIL FUEL!!!

…or has the Enviro-Wacko’s story changed again???

PS - Isn’t the US Obamaniac government hell bent for preventing any domestic drilling for new supplies of gas, as well as oil??

landlines on July 8, 2009 at 6:08 PM

“…the Obama administration had realized that unemployment continued to rise despite because of all of the pork projects it had funded through Porkulus.”

Fixed it.

Not only has it not helped job creation, it’s caused job loss. Businesses see what’s going on, and the uncertainty surrounding the economy and this administrations taxation, spending, nationalization (past and future) have business owners cutting back, curtailing hiring, etc.

Midas on July 8, 2009 at 7:54 PM

I love this part… Oil, and especially gasoline, are unmatched for a few key reasons:
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Availability
Portability
Energy Density
Safety
Price
Infrastructure
Ease of use by consumers
Adaptability
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Until something better at most of these and any important ones that I missed comes along, everything else will be second fiddle. The world uses 85,000,000 barrels per day for a reason.
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Most, if not all the renewable energy sources are storage dependant; they require storage capacity so peak production times can be used to buffer low/no production times. Also, to use in modes of transport, portable storage is kinda a must.
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Wind and solar are fine examples of this. Storage is really the key for both of those. Safe, portable, adaptable, high energy density storage that is easy to use and low in price is what is needed to displace oil as king. After we have that, any energy source can be use to fill the storage container. (Gee… Energon Cubes… Awesome!)
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Oh… and one more thing, if it’s batteries, lots of non-eco-friendly chemicals are needed… Lots (for you Prius drivers).
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I now return you to your regularly scheduled “Biden is a Moron” thread.
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Thank you

RalphyBoy on July 8, 2009 at 8:12 PM

By the end of June, the Obama administration had realized that unemployment continued to rise despite all of the pork projects it had funded through Porkulus.

Considering the unemployment rate is now higher than Obama’s team had projected it would be without a stimulus, can we now say that unemployment has risen so much because of porkulus?

Porkulus is like trying to treat a cancer patient with only pain medication. It may cover up the symptoms for a while, but it doesn’t fix the problem. And every employer in the country knows it.

taznar on July 8, 2009 at 8:38 PM

Unemployment has a four-letter cause: O-B-A-M-A.

Jim Treacher on July 8, 2009 at 3:29 PM


ROFL!

That was a good one, Jim.

-Dave

Dave R. on July 8, 2009 at 8:59 PM

So when do the start writing the checks to GE?

rockmom on July 8, 2009 at 9:12 PM

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