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Even if it means starting WWIII. EAB
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[YESWECANSOLVEIT] Fw: Read the article regarding safety equipment...JUST AS I THOUGHT BP White Washing... .[USACAN] Re: RE: FW: Dick Cheney and the oil spill
----- Forwarded Message ---- From: JaneAnne Jeffries <janeannej@mac.com> To: USA.CAN <USACAN@groups.barackobama.com> Sent: Tue, May 4, 2010 1:03:44 PM Subject: [USACAN] Re: RE: FW: Dick Cheney and the oil spill Well, Rob, here is part of an exchange I had on April 30 with my friend Jan from New Orleans [until Katrina]. Now she is still in Louisiana, but she moved farther north. Note her comments about her friend.
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I have been talking to a friend who is a retired rig stablizer/safety trainer. He cannot imagine how/why the very safety mechanisms he invented were not even installed.>>
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On Apr 30, 2010, at 9:02 AM, JaneAnne Jeffries wrote:
How are you doing, with oil creeping toward the shore and filling the gulf waters?
I need a major attitude adjustment. I hardly slept last night. It's windy here, and my nose and eyes are watering.
Drilling a mile below the surface of the ocean to continue to mine sticky black stuff that pollutes the environment is insanity. It's difficult to be 68 amidst the folly.
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On May 4, 2010, at 9:31 AM, Rob Bartlett wrote:
Caution is advised on this matt er.
Right wing bloggers are not the only ones who tend to jump on fragments of information and try to make a sensational story out of it. Ed Shultz tends to jump on anything he can find to assign guilt to Cheney (sure, Cheney’s guilty of many things, but not every scrap of info you can find proves it).
There are multiple mechanisms on the rig that sank – multiple – designed to shut off the flow in the event of an incident. Even though they might not be the same as a particular mechanism that Norway requires in their waters, that doesn’t mean there were NO shutoff devices on this rig.
Why let the Obama listserv join in the same bad practice as the Right Wing bloggers and Fox talking heads we deplore?
Rob Bartlett
From:"Cheryl Coon" [mailto:CCoon@shannongracey.com] Sent:Tuesday, May 04, 2010 10:02 AM To:USA.CAN Subject:[USACAN] FW: Dick Cheney and the oil spill
NPR had a story the other day - brazil and i think norway and other countires require this switch - so it is not farfetched and is very real...............thanks cheney and bush
Subject:Dick Cheney and the oil spill
This is the kind of article we're going to see about FW's first gas related disaster. There'll be all kinds of Monday morning quarterbacking and no one will be held truly accountable--least of all the most responsible person--Mayor Mike Moncrief. He won't be legally liable.
As we know from our own comment threads right here on this very blog, right-wingers are expert at taking a few facts from situations that appear to be superficially similar but really aren't upon reflection or closer examination and using them to attack liberals.
And so, in the last few days, the oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico has become Obama's Katrina. Um...look, I'm as pro-pelican as the next guy, and obviously I don't mean to gainsay the scope of this environmental catastrophe, wh ich will end up being staggering.
But Katrina killed about 1,500 humans. And no, it's not George Bush's personal fault that they died, either. But I still rate Katrina a far bigger tragedy for that reason.
And now it turns out, according to an environmental lawyer whose interview on Ed Schultz last week is getting a lot of circulation, that this leak may well be traceable in part to...Dick Cheney.
The oil well spewing crude into the Gulf of Mexico didn't have a remote-control shut-off switch used in two other major oil-producing nations as last-resort protection against underwater spills.
The lack of the device, called an acoustic switch, could amplify concerns over the environmental impact of offshore drilling after the explosion and sinking of the Deepwater Horizon rig last week...
... regulators in two major oil-producing countries, Norway and Brazil, in effect require them. Norway has had acoustic triggers on almost every offshore rig since 1993.
The U.S. considered requiring a remote-controlled shut-off mechanism several years ago, but drilling companies questioned its cost and effectiveness, according to the agency overseeing offshore drilling. The agency, the Interior Department's Minerals Management Service, says it decided the remote device wasn't needed because rigs had other back-up plans to cut off a well.
The U.K., where BP is headquartered, doesn't require the use of acoustic triggers.
The Journal's report doesn't come out and say this, but the env ironmental lawyer, Mike Papantonio, said on the Schultz show in an interview you can watchherethat it was Cheney's energy task force - the secretive one that he wouldn't say much about publicly - that decided that the switches, which cost $500,000, were too much a burden on the industry. The Papantonio segment starts at around 5:00 in and lasts three minutes or so.
In the interests of disclosure I will note that I haven't heard the phrase "acoustic switch" until this weekend, so I don't really know. And obviously the fact that the US isn't alone in not requiring this switch indicates that there are legitimate questions about cost v. efficacy. So maybe it's just one of those things.
But then again, m aybe it's not. Regulatory decisions have consequences all the time, and the people who made them should be asked to justify their decisions in a democracy. It'll be very interesting to watch this week and see if other news outlets pursue this.
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Scroll down and read up. Thanks for the visit. EAB
[YESWECANSOLVEIT] Re: Re: Mr. President...You could have been a hero, Instead.....
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There was a long standing moratorium against opening new off shore drilling areas. George Bush did not overturn this off shore land moratorium, Barack Obama did that last month.
So when the big oil slick changes direction with the winds Tursday and hits Florida, Obama will not be praised for his oil drilling policy.
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On May 2, 2010, at 11:16 PM, JaneAnne Jeffries wrote:
> How can Obama be blamed for a contract BP already had?
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> How did BP get the contract in the first place?
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> I think Obama is the man for the job in this worst of all possible times. He inherited all the caca, and if anybody can make a positive difference, I believe it is Obama.
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> We have a responsibility to do all that we can do. It would be a lot easier with decent income. It's time to pool our resources and get on with whatever we can do to make amends to the earth.
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>> President Obama. If you could have just stayed true to yourself and your environmental base, just a few more weeks...You could have been a hero instead of a zero.
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>> Perhaps the worst man-made disaster of all time, just happened on your watch, and like G. Bush is known for 9/11 you will be remembered for allowing the Gulf of Mexico Oil Spill. It ...
>> See it happened on your watch didn't it Mr. President?
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>> How do you prove you had "blow out protection" on our oil platform and rig? After it has already BLOWN UP and Out?
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WHAT THE PEOPLE ARE SAYING ABOUT BP AND THEIR SPILL
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Apr 30, 2010 8:48pm EDT
BP should have to pay every american legal that is one million dollars for putting up with there mess such as increased fish cost, gas cost and clening there spill up, maybe the ceo would like his basement filled with dirt oil, to hell with giving them a fine and making the goverment richer, let make them pay every american that is here legealy pay one million dollars for distroying the ocean for the next century, it should have never happened, the ceo wanting to save 500 hundred thousand dollars for a safety device now look what it will cost them….. one word IDIOTS
BP is a greedy and heartless oil company that puts profits over people. We are tired of this. BP made $16 BILLION last year alone AND DID NOT PAY A DIME IN US INCOME TAXES. EXXON PAID NO FEDERAL INCOME TAX ON $46 BILLION IN PROFIT LAST YEAR, THAT IS INEXCUSABLE. ALL THE REST OF US MUST PAY OUR TAXES. Some may argue that that is okay because they create jobs. Yea, they create jobs all right, but it might easily kill you to work there. FIX MY COAST AND MY LAKE OR GET THE HELL OUT OF LOUISIANA, NOW!!!!!
Louisiana has NEVER stood up to these oil companies. We let them come into our state, exploit our resources, and abuse our workers; we even give them tax-breaks to do it. Pathetic. Where is our Governor? Maybe if he keeps his mouth shut, these oil companies will keep filling his campaign coffers with their ill-gotten gains so that he can continue on his true mission – political advancement. Why is Jindal not fighting for us? This is his job, not running around the country on a “rabble-rousing” tour.
I almost wish that we were like China in this regard… When avoidable disasters happen over there, people get sentenced to death. They are POISONING OUR AIR, FOOD SUPPLY, AND WATER SUPPLY. CARCINOGENS PEOPLE.
GOT VALDEZ?
GOT A GREEDY OIL COMPANY THAT DOES NOT PAY INCOME TAXES?
YEP, WE’VE GOT THEM BOTH.
We pay income taxes, but BP does not (in America). BP has no taxation, but all of the representation.
I say, “If no taxation, then no exploration”. Fix your disaster you greedy oil company. My state smells like an oil can. Fix it, and then get out of mu state. Sincerely, John Robert Ellis New Orleans, Louisiana
THERE WOULD NOT BE LAWYERS SUING IF THERE WERE NOT GREEDY CORPORATIONS LIKE BP POISONING OUR CITIZENS.
IF YOU CHOOSE TO WORK FOR THEM AND PUT YOUR LIFE AT RISK, THAT’S YOUR RIGHT. BUT THE REST OF US DON’T WORK FOR THEM AND DON’T WANNA BE POISONED BY THEIR UNCONSCIONABLE NEGLIGENCE.
BOYCOTT BP FOREVER!
BP can burn in hell because they have poisoned my entire state. These are real people whose property has been destroyed and whose family members have lost their lives. GREED IS BAD
SHUT THEM ALL DOWN NOW. THIS IS BIGGER THAN THE VALDEZ, PEOPLE. IT OCCURRED 50 MILES OFF OF OUR COAST. THE AIR STINKS, BAD. YOU KNOW THERE IS CANCER IN THE AIR. TAKE A BREATH OF CORPORATE GREED.
I WISH THAT I WERE EXAGGERATING ABOUT HOW BAD THE AIR SMELLS HERE, I WISH. THIS IS TRUE, SINCERELY. YOU WILL SEE IT ON THE NEWS TOMORROW, WHILE WE LIVE IT NOW.
BP will pay to clean it up and then raise gas prices to recoup their loses–watch and see. The fact of the matter is oil has all of us by the “you know what”. A Chinese coal freighter Shen Neng 1 destroyed a large portion of the Barrier Reef a few weeks back which now pales in comparison with this latest disaster. How much more will be destroyed for fossil fuels? We must find and support something better.
Now, now, son. Corporations are people too, just like you and me. We have contracts that give us the right to take your livelihood if God wills it, so just roll with the punches. You can be sure we will; and we will survive, unlike you. But, hey, we can afford representation in your government. Sorry for you…
I agree totally with all the above comments and hope the anger in Louisiana will start impeachment on Jindal. Why are we trading dangerous jobs, poisoning our selves and destroying our God given planet for fossil fuels. Sdrew these companies and all their high paid lobbyists who buy whatever they want when they want it. Our politicians are spineless and won’t stand up to big money.
Regulate the hell out of these coal mines, oil rigs and any other fossil fuel company and make them hurt until we can wean ourselves of the oil teat.
BP did not manufacture that valves that failed, did not manufacture the control systems that were in place.
Americans are still acting like a bunch of vigilante buffoons. It’s no wonder that we get into so many wars with people with different skin color and religions.
As for the tax statements, BP has no representation in Congress which make up tax law. As for greed, it seems that Americans are a very greedy bunch of people. We want cheap goods manufactured abroad. We want cheap labor in the service industries. We even want to fight wars with the sons and daughters of our underclass.
To blame BP without knowing precisely what went wrong is so typical of this country of Christian Wannabes.
Your energy and anger in this matter is well-founded. That is the only stance that can be taken to send messages of disapproval to the oil barons.
But we the people are still dependent on oil, and have not switched to energy which is sustainable, and without a devastating footprint.
It is truly up to the general American public, the largest consumer for this product, to demand reproach!
We thought Exxon-Mobil was bad enough, in a land so rich with natural resources. We also saw the pathetic settlement flung over a decade later.
This type of degradation (including nuclear testing, hazardous waste pollution) of our lands is unacceptable on any grounds. Although the oil lobby is strong now, one day they will run dry.
It was refreshing to hear BP’s top executive commit to making good on this horrible disaster. However, going beyond this incident and looking to the future, calls for a radical shift in our energy program. We need to get rid of oil and focus on a completely new type of energy source. We have the best minds at our colleges and universities. I saw that first hand at MIT Boston during a contract job I was involved in. Also, I have read numerous science articles about discoveries and developments that can revolutionize our country’s energy program. Why aren’t we pursuing this? What’s the hold up? We have the will and the minds, however we need total commitment and that is lacking today. Start hammering your government representatives to take action. Lets put our energy program up front and do something about it now!
In the 70’s we had the oil embargo. We SHOULD have learnt that we do not have control of much of our energy needs. We need to move away from OPEC and big oil. We need to find a plan b or z for our energy needs. But in the over 30 years it seems that nothing has happened. (other than SUV’s becoming “fuel efficient”??) When will our government have a sense able energy plan?
BP needs to step up to the plate and take responsibility for not only the human life that was lost, but the environmental catastrophy that they have caused, injuring and killing thousands of wildlife and marine life as well. As they sit in their plush offices and homes, they need to be reminded that they are the ones that should take the financial loss in this mess, it is their fault, and not throw it onto the public with higher gas prices. Come down to modest living and see how the rest of the world lives.
I feel for the people of New Orleans and Louisianna. George W dropped the ball after the hurricance and now President Obama is going to get the opportunity to once again drop the ball and leave Louisianna to fend for itslef.
If it’s true that all it takes is to close a valve that is stuck at the bottom pipeline, then BP has certainly neglected regular maintenance and safety testing procedures for squeezing the last drop of profit from that oil rig. They may now have to drill to plug the leak which could take 3 months. I think it’s time to balance Big Oil out with nuclear energy production.
On April 27, 2003, Exactly seven years ago the Bouchard Barge B-120 hit an obstacle in Buzzards Bay, creating a 12-foot rupture in its hull and discharging an estimated 100,000 gallons of No. 6 oil. The oil is known to have affected an estimated 90 miles of shoreline, numerous bird species, and recreational use of the bay, such as shell fishing and boating.
We need to review the George Stephanopoulos interview the other day in which the Coast Guard Rear Admiral Mary E. Landry told George there was no leak! Where did the Rear Admiral get this faulty information and who does are government think they are dealing with?
Coast Guard Rear Admiral Mary E. Landry was in charge of the Buzzards Bay oil spill ! Why did the Coast Guard delay its response ?
Drilling oil in the ocean is dangerous and they should’nt be there.
Putting refineries in a hurrcane and tornado alley is dangerous and they should’nt be there.
Drilling oil and building refineries in North Dakotas Balken and Three Forks formations is safe. The biggest natral concern would be a 3 day blizzard.
It’s time to get smart big oil men. How much is this going to cost you. Oops I mean US.
BP should take responsibility and fortunately they are taking them. Louisiana state have the right to be angry about this as this will potentially affect them for years to come. Hopefully the government will do something which can give back to the people of Louisiana for what they deserve (Perhaps share the fines with people affected ^_^ )
This oil spill has all the makings of Obama’s Hurricane Katrina. Janet Napolitano took 9 days to declare this an emergency that would allow the Defense Department to take decisive action and DHS to set up an HQ in the South. I hope we can work together to fix this problem. With all the finger-pointing you might have forgotten that 11 people died in the explosion…for more see: http://www.philosoguy.com/232/the-oil-spill-in-the-gulf/
This is the reason tough Government regulations are needed because big oil companies cannot be trusted. The right wing wingnuts along with the Republican Party and Palin share also the blame with their constant assault on the Government saying it is socialism and far too big. It is only when disaster strikes then we begin to realize how much Government is needed.
Hey Republicans and Palin do you still believe in drill,baby drill with little or no regulations on the big oil companies. You blame the Government for being Socialist on one hand and then when disasters strike complain they are not acting fast enough. You can’t have it both ways. You share in this disaster and the chickens have come home to roost….
I hope the politians in Florida take a close look. Govenor Crist is interested in off shore drilling. Everyone knows oil rigs are just an accident waiting to happen. Well it happened. Watch what your politians do when deciding who to vote for.
BP definitely messed up things here and should pay dearly for their mistake.
However, the US government is wrong to point the blame entirely to them. After all, it is the US who failed to properly regulate safety measures, and therefore shares responsibility.
… but he WON’T visit Arizona, because he can’t/won’t produce proof of citizenship and eligibility to be President of the United States, and thus faces possible deportation to Kenya!
No doubt that BP will pay some damages as high as possible, but how to offset the huge breach ever opened inside the English speaking people, by the biggest British Cie along the US coast?
This is the chance you take when you want the money that comes from big oil. I hope every American that lives on/near the Atlantic coast is paying close attention to what the Gulf states will now suffer through.
It only takes ONE accident to destroy the economy of your state, and the ecology upon which that economy depends. Ask yourselves if the jobs and money are really worth it.
We need to push for aggressive development and deployment of green technologies. We will have an excellent opportunity this November. We have the technology, and the ingenuity, to come up with robust, efficient, and effective alternatives to oil.
And this effort if done correctly, could be the beginning of a REAL economic recovery as jobs are created with a national focus on ridding ourselves of our fossil fuel dependency. If this spill isn’t enough of a motivator to go green, I would hate to see what kind of motivator it WOULD take.
MDan
The government was wrong for even allowing a corporate lobby to exist in the first place. Corporations should not have the right to lobby/petition congress. They are not people.
The reason the government had such lax safety regulations regarding these rigs is because the oil lobby was very aggressive in arguing that the expense of such safety devices would result in higher costs for the consumer (yada yada yada). And I have no doubts that money found a way to change hands. Legally of course. Barely.
Corporations used their voices and substantial funds, to sway common sense legislation that was good for the public. And this they did because they didn’t want to miss out on a single penny of profit.
There are countless examples of why corporate personhood is a status that must be struck down. As long as it remains in place the voices of the people will be drowned out by the corporate demand for “economic growth”,(profit).
Only private citizens have the right to decide what’s best for their country. Business interests must never be allowed interfere with the will of the citizenry.
The proof of why this is so is spilling out all over the Gulf, and all over the economy.