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Smart Grid a Scam, Cries Energy Consultant
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Calling the Smart Grid the “Scam of the Century,” energy consultant and self-described wind energy scientist pioneer Ken Bosley lays out a critique of the Smart Grid on the Gerson Lehrman Group site. Writing that the Smart Grid is a waste of money, doesn’t work, and isn’t desirable even if it does, Bosley makes several arguments: Going digital degrades reliability and security; that the Smart Grid would only have value if cheap ways of storing energy existed; TOU pricing has been around for decades and doesn’t require a Smart Grid; remote-reading meters fail more frequently than standard glass meters; Smart Grid technology lets the electric company “know who, what, when, how much and why you buy or do anything”; and more.
Quick Take: This essay is disjoined and rambling, but it’s a good reminder that the Smart Grid has its detractors. Now that Smart Grid has gone mainstream, so will the opposition.
Article on Gerson Lehrman Group site
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Back to the stone age
If you extrapolate what the author seems to be advocating, then I guess we should all be independently micro-generating. Taking this argument further, we can consider getting rid of other networks as well which have built up to serve a modern society. This is all very well until you consider the two go hand-in-hand. A modern society and all it entails developed incrementally out of requirement for improved networks and associated logistics. After each incremental change, the change becomes effectively essential. This can quite simply be described as progress. The Smart Grid is such an example of an incremental change - there is a need for it and once it has been established society will increment to absorb the change and thus require it. Suggesting it is not needed is clearly retrograde.
Robert Cragie - 07/22/2009 - 02:13
Smart Grid Scam?
I was excited to see the title of this article as I too have questioned the validity of some of the politically motivated "smart grid" initiatives.
Unfortunately, Mr. Bosley's effort is a rambling train wreck. Unsubstantiated claims, non-sequitors, faulty logic, and grammatic abominations add up to a less than impressive case.
It's like reading my crazy uncle Pete's rants on reality shows.
This is not an endorsement of Smart Grid of course, but rather an indictment of the author's product.
Philip W. Thomas - 07/22/2009 - 08:08
Windpower problems
One could write the same type of critique of wind energy. Many of us who lived near wind farms which sprung up in the 1980s can describe in perfect detail how they hyped themselves, then slowly degenerated into a bunch of broken down towers. The operators had simply failed to mention the extraordinary costs and difficulty of maintaining all those machines year after year.
Oops, sorry windpower people, now we're airing YOUR dirty laundry.
Tom Lemon - 07/22/2009 - 08:27
Strong Service and Smart Business
This comment is not related to energy consultant and self-described wind energy scientist pioneer Ken Bosley. It is about the need to change the obsolete Investor Owned Utilities Architecture Framework, because of an architecting mistake done in EPAct 92. That mistake is making the Smart Grid a highly risky proposition.
In the following paragraphs all HTML is removed. To see the complete post, go to www dot energyblogs dot com/ewpc and select the article Strong & Smart Grid.
Smart Grid or Strong Grid? Comment on Ken Maize is a timely post by by Robert Michaels, on July 8, 2009, in MasterResource: A free-market energy blog. This is a comment I submitted under that article, which at this moment is awaiting moderation:
[quote begins] I love the concept of the Strong Grid, as it fits nicely with the Electricity Without Price Controls (EWPC) Architecture Framework (EWPC-AF) that has emerged to replace the Investor Owned Utilities (IOUs) Architecture Framework (IOUs-AF).
This is how it fits. The Smart Grid is based on the policy: economy first, system performance second. The strong Grid is based on system performance first, economy second.
A Strong Grid will result in a simple, not simplistic, power industry, which can be divided into two highly cohesive systems that are lightly coupled and that mutually reinforce each other. The systems are a primary regulated power service transportation system and a secondary open market commercialization business system. That is my key discovery.
Please go to the EWPC Blog (my website) to learn about the Greek Tragedy that will cost the American ratepayers and/or taxpayers billions of dollars. [quote ends]
The smarter grid that is being developed is not a strong cost effective grid. As Jim Collins and Jerry Porras' lesson given in their book "Built to Last," a key idea is the Genious of AND, Instead of choosing between a Smart Grid or a Strong Grid, the EWPC-AF embraces both as a Strong & Smart Grid,
A good example of the comparison of the characteristics of the IOUs-AF and the EWPC-AF can be found in the last sets of comments between James Carson and myself under the must read article How Secretary Chu can Deliver a Win-Win, Big Deal Outcome at the Global Sustainability Game:
[space requirements limit, but the essencial elements are laid out already]
José Antonio Vanderhorst-Silverio, Ph.D. - 07/22/2009 - 14:50
What's the smart grid?
I've been in this business for many years, watching the various buzz phrases come and go, and I still don't know what this one means, despite many seminars attended and articles read. It means different things to different people. It clearly means "big brother" to the author. Much of what the author rails against has been around for years however, such as the ability to remotely disconnect service, or monitor electricity usage by time-of-day. Police here is California routinely bust grow houses based on tips from the utility regarding abnormal usage. Maybe we should just call it "The Smarter Grid," meaning one that uses digital technology to enable best use of the resources available, whether they be distributed generation, load-shifting, or storage. We have a generation and distribution system that has not kept up with advances in communications and control technology. We can do better.
p.s. Despite the author's contention, there actually is energy storage in the Mid-Atlantic region. PSEG's Yards Creek Station in NJ, which I've flown over many times en route to Newark Airport is 400 MW and there is another 1500 MW (Muddy Run and Seneca) in Pennsylvania. All three are in PJM, along with the author's host utility.
Greg Tinfow - 07/22/2009 - 16:08
Why DOE should Establish a System Architecture?
This is another post I wrote today in response to the article "Developing Progress," by Ken Silverstein, in his Informal Insider Blog, which starts as follows:
"Secretary of State Hillary Clinton met recently with Indian Environmental Minister Jairam Ramesh. The United States is trying to persuade India to cut its global warming emissions, which triggered a sharp reply..."
Just as my other comment, above, all HTML is removed.
Hi Ken,
Good post as usual. Is the U.S. planning to export its energy policy to developing countries?
Can you tell me why the political energy policy process in the U.S. is leading to a DOE mandated standards architecture, which has a huge flaw that originated in EPAct 92? The flaw is based on the policy economic first, system performance second.
As you can see from the example on the post "The Deadly Sin of State Regulators on the Smart Grid," the risk involved with the Smart Grid is completely unacceptable. The post "Strong & Smart Grid," describes very well what is needed by the U.S. and developing countries.
Given the above, Why the U.S. is not letting go the Investor Owned Utilities Architecture Framework to follow the advice in the article "How Secretary Chu can Deliver a Win-Win, Big Deal Outcome at the Global Sustainability Game."?
José Antonio Vanderhorst-Silverio, Ph.D. - 07/22/2009 - 17:38
Smart Grid a Scam?
I sure think so. Much like the Internet, our electric grid is a common carrier network that moves electrons from where they're produced to where they're consumed. The grid needs better sensors at the transmission level that provide operators with real-time actual power flows instead of state estimates, but the stated goals depend more on grid smart consumers than on any intelligence in the grid itself. We'll see the real advent of what some call the smart grid if and when consumers show their willingness to buy energy-saving devices with their own money. Until that time, Smart Grid is just a giant boondoggle.
Jack Ellis - 07/22/2009 - 20:20
Smart Grid-a Scam?????
Dear Mr. Bosley,
Thank you for reminding us all through your article that you are "an expert in renewable energy since the 1973". Frankly speaking, that's the only part in your article that I felt worth remembering. You have kept on raving and ranting about the ineffectiveness of smart grid without sufficient evidence to support you. You have kept on cribbing about the cheap energy storage systems without which (according to you) the smart grid would become ineffective. I really don't think so as smart grid encompasses much more than that which unfortunately might not have come across you. It entails automation of substations, demand response not only at industrial end but also at residential end, utilization of power usage data to analyze trends for further research, reducing transmission and distribution loss through use of HVDC cables and much more. If your holiness can take some time off smart grid bashing and consulted the document provided by US DOE then I might not have taken up the pain to write this comment. Thankfully, your publicity gimmick have attracted a lot of eyballs and you have successfully promoted yourself as an maniac who is satisfied living in the ages of Thomas alva edison. Better consider taking refuge at Tristan Da Kunha, you won;t have any complaint with the grid system there (They don't have any).
Regards,
A lunatic who is willing to see change for a better future.
Sankar Gupta - 07/22/2009 - 22:03
Jack Ellis Stated Goal is the Way to Go
Jack Ellis has been around for quite some time in the discussions of the emerging transformation of the power industry. I agree that "... the stated goals depend more on grid smart consumers than on any intelligence in the grid itself."
A strong service and smart business is what is needed. To enable that, there is a need for the EWPC-AF to set up an architecture competition of the smart business based on the Silicon Valley Model and not set up by DOE mandate on NIST and EPRI.
José Antonio Vanderhorst-Silverio, Ph.D. - 07/23/2009 - 09:29
Smart Grid
The Smart Grid is a very costly solution to many problems that don't exist. It's purpose is to allow two way power flow into the grid from places that are the best sources of wind and solar power. Since Pickens and others have discovered that transferring power that is not available on a predictable basis from places that couldn't be further from the users, we are expected to spend billions on this.The DOE estimates that it would save $2-$5B/yr out of $300B for the annual electric power we now consume. They have already committed $4.5B to companies to experiment. Wake up people!
Richard Henry - 07/28/2009 - 13:18
Smart Grid Scam – Rage Against the Machine
Smart Grid Scam – Rage Against the Machine
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Summary
Disconnected starving people can’t use the Smart Grid. There is an electric and gas glut. People won't be paying for energy at any price. The BGE smart grid scam is the beginning of the end for the worldwide Smart Grid scam. Remember, a wind energy consultant in Maryland stopped the Smart Grid. www.zwind.com
Analysis
Yuppie scum in McMansions want the smart grid. Spoiled green brats want the smart grid. Geeks want the smart grid toys. Real people don’t need it and can’t use it. You got to have it. You got to do it. You got to want it now. Everybody is getting it. You will save hundreds on your bill. What is next? An Ethernet cable in your belly button and a WIFI nose ring.
Did someone say depression? Ssssh. Disneyland is empty. No body is buying nothing. The smart grid will solve all your problems. Blow into your smart grid Command Control scene and Uncle Slim Pickens will rev up a windmill for you a thousand miles away to recharge your electric Barbie doll. Not. The Cowboy’s 666 giant windmills are glutting the unused surplus windmill market. Big Hat, no Cattle. Is the closed giant windmill factory in England still occupied by the protesting laid off workers?
Ontario’s power glut has shut down any more windmill projects. The hundred-year-old grid works fine. Canada sends down power on hot days to New York at the sped of light. There is no power gap. There is a power glut. The smart grid would not have stopped the 2003 black out. The grid operator didn’t blackout a few zip codes first, when they had the chance, as is standard utility procedure to preserve the grid.
How are we going to pay for the smart grid? What are we supposed to do with it? Think of all the money you are going to save from the smart grid.
With the home Smart Grid Command Center, you can play Star Trek Mr. Scott and Mr. Sulu routing your last kilowatt-hour from the phasor banks to life support. When the smart grid is about to disconnect you for not paying your bill, just try to tell it to wait another couple of kilowatt hours while you finish cooking your dog on the stove. You ate the last of his dog food yesterday.
Ken Bosley - 08/02/2009 - 13:38
Dumb Ass "Smart Grids" To No Where
Americans must educate themselves because a SMART GRID PROJECT is coming to your neighborhood.
Here in Northern California a grid promoter called TANC proposed a 1,000 foot wide, 600 mile long project through half a dozen counties. This project would have traveled through 6,000 properties and end in the far North Eastern areas of Lassen County.
Why would someone build a grid to no where? Stimulus Fund grab and long term contracts with utility companies projects underwritten by rate-payers and backroom deals in the millions without public oversight.
Read about TANC here and check out the citizens group that stopped TANC at http://stoptanc.org
Green Earl
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Earl Allen Boek - 08/05/2009 - 03:52
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Summary
Smart grid sucks.
It will cost more than all the money in the world.
Cut off starving people don’t need no grid.
There is an electricity glut.
Analysis
Spoiled green Yuppie scum brats in McMansions want the smart grid.
Geeks with freaks want smart grid toys.
The smart grid ethernet cable in your belly button goes to your WIFI nose ring.
If you can use it, and smart enough to abuse it, you sure don’t need it and don’t have time to fool with it.
The smart grid really don’t do nothing
The smart grid don’t stop black outs.
The smart grid don’t make energy.
No body has money to buy nothing anyway.
The smart grid is just a cash register.
The smart grid counts energy like Diebold counts votes.
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Ken Bosley, Wind Energy Consultant has left a new comment on your post ""SMART GRID" Being Called The Scam Of The Century ...":
Smart Grid Scam - Green yuppie scum IT Diebold Geek Freak Brats
Ken Bosley
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Summary
Smart grid sucks.
It will cost more than all the money in the world.
Cut off starving people don’t need no grid.
There is an electricity glut.
Analysis
Spoiled green Yuppie scum brats in McMansions want the smart grid.
Geeks with freaks want smart grid toys.
The smart grid ethernet cable in your belly button goes to your WIFI nose ring.
If you can use it, and smart enough to abuse it, you sure don’t need it and don’t have time to fool with it.
The smart grid really don’t do nothing
The smart grid don’t stop black outs.
The smart grid don’t make energy.
No body has money to buy nothing anyway.
The smart grid is just a cash register.
The smart grid counts energy like Diebold counts votes.
Finish cooking you dog on the stove before the smart grid cuts you off for being broke.
Trash for plumpers
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LMAO T. Boone Pickens...Regarding Wind Farm, "Big Hat, No Cattle"
The more I read and study the SMART GRID, the dumber it looks._Green Earl
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how about a smart grid project that tests ability to generate power in the mid-west and trasmit the power to the west coast on demand with minimal degregilation? Is this possible?
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The so-called feed-in tariffs proposal would set European-style guarantees for investors that many credit for a recent boom in solar energy in Germany. ...
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Renewable Ventures closes $200M for US solar projects
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The fund's first endeavor is a 2 MW solar photovoltaic project in Fort Collins, Colo., which will produce energy to be sold to Colorado State University and ...
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Cosmos Ignite lights up lives with solar lanterns
Business Standard
The estimated unit cost of generation of electricity from solar PV ranges from Rs 12-20 per kWh in India. The government subsidises the difference between ...
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EU Must Insist On Making Renewable in Portfolio while Swapping.
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Green Jobs ... in Manufacturing? - thegreenpages - British Columbia
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Nadine Gudz answered, in part, some of the questions that I initially posed for green job seekers in my posting early last week, 'Green Job Search in a Carbon Economy', covering the World Changing Careers symposium. ... Uses renewable energy from landfills for both manufacturing products and recycling at the plant; Closed the new product lifecycle loop by reducing InterfaceFLOR's use of raw materials, increasing use of recycled carpet, for new carpet production. ...
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Permanent Revolution - Vestas occupation; stay in it to win it
By Keith H
The action has made front-page news around the UK and exposed the government's plans for renewable energy jobs as so much green wash. The occupation has hammered home one key point: if we want to cut carbon emissions we need mas¬sive ... and nationalise strategically important firms to stop a “systemic financial meltdown”, then they can sure as hell nationalise those green technology firms that are cutting and running, in order to prevent a “systemic climate meltdown”. ...
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Signs of the Times News for Tue, 04 Aug 2009
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R&D, finance and insurance jobs tend to follow the factories to Asia. Education is also used by neoliberals to explain stagnant wages in the U.S. By claiming that American workers are insufficiently educated for the "knowledge economy," ... At the same time, they are too radical, because any serious attempt to shift the U.S. economy in a green direction by hiking the costs of non-renewable energy would accelerate the transfer of U.S. industry to Asia -- and with it not ...
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West Cork Greens: Suggestions for Review of programme for Government
By Declan Waugh
The current policy of free transportation must reflect the current financial circumstances in which we now find ourselves. Customers availing of free rail transport should be required to pay a minimum transaction fee for ticket. I would recommend a fee of €5 euro. ... Increase renewable energy tariffs for producers of renewable energy to support development of green economy. 20. Reduce salaries of Oireachtas members to reflect current and international trends. ...
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